Co-nomination by Masumrezarock100

DannyS712 (talk · contribs) – Ladies and gentlemen, let me introduce you to DannyS712. I first encountered him when he left a message on my talk page on English Wikipedia about a script. As you might have guessed, he creates user scripts and assists in areas where technical support is needed. He also has written few gadgets for some small wikis. True, his global account is only one year old. But despite that he has done a lot of good works on Wikimedia projects. He holds several advanced rights on English Wikipedia as well as on Commons. Aside from that he is a patroller and translation admin on meta-wiki, and he serves as an admin on Mediawiki.org. He also holds several advanced permissions in some Wikimedia projects which proves that he is not a rookie and has experience with sensitive rights. He is a very active editor as his edit count has passed over 70 thousand on English Wikipedia. I am sure he will become one of the most active admins on Commons, if he becomes a sysop. I am not quite familiar with his works on Commons, but after reviewing some of his recent contributions, I have no doubt that he will be prolific admin. Therefore it is my pleasure to co-nominate Danny for the admin bits. Masum Reza^📞 08:02, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

Votes

•  Support as proposer. Calvinkulit (talk) 11:29, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
•  Support Natuur12 (talk) 15:12, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
•  Oppose I usually have my standards and honestly I don’t think they qualify right now. Despite their account age being nearly a year, they only done more editing here for nearly 4 months and their deleted count is under 500 edits. I don’t think it would be fair to give sysop tools to this candidate as recently there was a nomination by 大诺史 and their RfA was withdrawn due to account age and etc. As they are more familiar and experienced with enwiki, I would definitely support an RfA there and I can understand why they feel hesitant to do it. As I can also see, this is a surprise nomination. Nominators of candidates (like Calvinkulit) are expected to ask the candidate whether they would run for this or not, not just go on ahead and then later shut down when they refuse. Since the candidate has accepted this, I ask for more experience from them here before they become admin here. 1989 (talk) 15:51, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
•  Oppose per 1989 --DCB (talk) 16:49, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
•  Support no concerns --Schlurcher (talk) 16:53, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
•  Oppose I'd rather not grant Commons' admin rights to the user, who do[es]n't plan to get involved in license reviewing. --VLu (talk) 16:54, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Not sure why you think that. License reviewing is a non-admin task, admins may wish to take part in it. Many users avoid complicated areas, what's wrong with that? Masum Reza^📞 19:39, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
•  Support as co-nominator. Adminship is not just about license reviewing and upload count. IMO, nominees just needs to have experience and a good reason. I believe Danny already is a more suitable candidate. Masum Reza^📞 19:43, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
•  Neutral Lots of good edits, I think he could be good enough to be an administrator. - sorry, I can't make me an image here. I expect from a presentation more than this. To be honest - in m eyes, this is respectless. -- Marcus Cyron (talk) 00:14, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
•  Support --Mirer (talk) 03:09, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
•  Neutral Changed from Oppose to Neutral. I am inclined to agree with 1989 and I think this nom took Danny as a suprise. I haven't seen any DR's from them, nor speedy deletes. This is a crucial part of an admins job on commons and I would like to see them contributing to and weighing on DR's to get some experience. (They might have already but I haven't come across them) And as 1989 points out another candidate was turned down for being too new but IMO contributes far more Gbawden (talk) 07:39, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

  @Gbawden: you're right, it took me by complete surprise. But, see the 86 deletion requests I've started (though that list includes a few other pages; its the best I could get) --DannyS712 (talk) 07:43, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

•  Support Definitely, We need to deal with ageism(edit count/account age), when they have shown good work on several projects, great technical abilities and they are aware of most of the policies. They have accepted that they won't get into something which they are not sure of, then what's the problem? QueerEcofeminist ^{"cite! even if you fight"!!!} [they/them/their] 01:38, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

  They don't have much experience. 3 months of activity is not enough. That’s the problem. 1989 (talk) 02:11, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

  I agree that they don't have much experience and that's why they wish to stay away from complicated areas. But blocking vandals and some other admin tasks are easy tasks. Masum Reza^📞 08:54, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

  Such tasks can be taken at enwiki, where imo they are experienced. 1989 (talk) 13:45, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

  See, instead of hypothetically arguing what I suggest is please try and look for two things. a) how much total time they must have spent through these last three months of activity. b) what are their big mistakes in that edit history/try and find out actual flaws/shortcomings if one could find anything and show it that they are not worth of having admin rights. then I will agree and change my vote too. otherwise this account age argument is not worth it, for me its a clear insult of their time + efforts. Some might take few thousand edits and a couple of years and some might get to the same point of maturity/understanding in few months or even in weeks too. Let's have some hard data and showcase that they have done some serious mistakes arising from their being younger in terms of edit count or account age. QueerEcofeminist ^{"cite! even if you fight"!!!} [they/them/their] 18:52, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

•  Oppose Per 1989 + never heard of the candidate + nominator + co-nominator, nothing personal, I'm sorry. --A.Savin 08:43, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

  Lol. Yes, I didn't used to edit Commons and I just started editing actively a month ago. I never heard of the nominator either. :) Masum Reza^📞 08:54, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

  @Masumrezarock100: regardless of being a nominator or not, you’re not supposed to comment every vote. --VLu (talk) 09:36, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

•  Oppose per A.Savin. Side note: nominator has a doubtful record, although this does not have effect on the question whether nominated user should be an admin. Jcb (talk) 15:49, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
• moral  Support. He is filemover, patroller, rollbacker and template editor. Exactly such people are often promoted to administrators. Taivo (talk) 16:01, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
•  Support The nominator's and conominator's statements seemed a little weird to me. However, I think Danny would do a fine job. He might not have all the "expertise" some voters demand, but who said you had to be commenting or participating in every little corner of the site to be an admin? Some people do that, and they have also ran for administrators. But rather than being helpful or collaborative, they end up being annoying. And they have not been elected administrators, which is the funny thing. But well, may this RfA be successful or not, good luck Danny. --Cuatro Remos (nütramyen) 04:08, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
•  Neutral: I agree with 1989 but on the other hand i also agree with QueerEcofeminist. -- CptViraj (📧) 13:29, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
•  Oppose per A.Savin.--MZaplotnik^(talk) 21:46, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
•  Support, per Cuatro Remos. —Hasley 17:16, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
•  Weak oppose I believe the "mundane tasks" do not have a really large backlog and I rarely see you pop up at any of the AN's. In addition to what you've said below, "I don't plan to get involved in controversial deletions, license reviewing, or anything like that", I believe having some participation in LRs would be better as it shows that you have some basic knowledge of it. If you want to participate in it, I'd be more than happy to  Support you. Regards --大诺史 (Talk/留言/토론/Discussion) 04:59, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

@大诺史: Danny answered that. He would be more involved in blocks and protections, or B&Ps. Calvinkulit (talk) 06:51, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

@Calvinkulit: As said above, this is the part where the backlog isn't as huge as DRs, where Danny doesn't really participate in. Yes, blocks and protections are needed, but I believe that it is still within control by the current admins. 大诺史 (Talk/留言/토론/Discussion) 07:12, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

•  Oppose per A.Savin. --Steinsplitter (talk) 13:49, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
•  Oppose - "Administrators are experienced and trusted members of the Commons community." . This user's first edit related to a DR request is 31 May 2019 (!!!). Further, echoing A. Savin, I have been an admin for more than 11 years and am routinely in the top 90% by activity, and have never seen or heard of this user. Accordingly, and especially with consideration of the above, I do not believe this user is sufficiently experienced or trusted (the latter a thing earned over time through continued demonstration, which is not on offer here.) Эlcobbola _talk 14:08, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

@Elcobbola: Look at the user rights of DannyS712. Those people might be qualified for administrator rights. "File mover, patroller, rollbacker and template editor". Calvinkulit (talk) 23:01, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

•  Oppose per above. Concerns with limited experience. Would absolutely support a future run following a longer period of sustained activity. -FASTILY 09:11, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
•  Oppose per Эlcobbola and others. -- Colin (talk) 09:50, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
•  Oppose per Эlcobbola and others also, I'm afraid. I'm unable to find any evidence of the level of copyright, freedom of panorama, derivative work or licensing knowledge we would expect from our administrators. -- Nick (talk) 12:29, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
•  Oppose, strongly at that. Per most others and the inexperience of the candidate here as well as the significant xwiki hat collecting. I also question the judgement of a candidate who accepts a nomination from someone with less than 700 edits here and is blocked elsewhere as a vandalism only account (and without TPA!) Praxidicae (talk) 12:32, 19 September 2019 (UTC)

Comments

• Does DannyS712 agree with this request? I would likely support his candidacy but not without knowing if he is actually willing to become an admin. Natuur12 (talk) 15:08, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

  Yes, I do; it came as a surprise, but I believe that I could use the tools to further this project. --DannyS712 (talk) 15:10, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

• DannyS712, you've uploaded the cropped version of File:(1-18) Peugeot 206 CC (4350220440).jpg. What would you decide if this file were proposed for deletion as derivative work and you were the closing sysop? Thanks, --VLu (talk) 15:40, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

  Given my involvement with the file, I would likely recuse from closing the deletion discussion. However, I'll note that while the flickr image is tagged as CC-BY-2.0, the image content (the car) isn't necessarily licensed properly. Given the precautionary principle, and the fact that the file is unused, I would close the discussion in favor of deleting the image. Thanks, --DannyS712 (talk) 16:14, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

  And what if the file were widely used? --VLu (talk) 16:21, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

  Then I would leave it to someone more experienced; I don't plan to get involved in controversial deletions, license reviewing, or anything like that. I would use the tools to help fight vandalism by applying protection or blocks as needed, by helping out at requests for rights, and other mundane admin tasks. I don't intend to dive into areas I am not familiar with, and if at any point I am unsure about something I'll leave it for someone else; I am a sysop on mediawiki, but commons is a much bigger site with a very different culture, and I will be aware of that as I (cautiously) use the tools. Thanks, --DannyS712 (talk) 16:46, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

• DannyS712 If you were appointed an admin, what do you see yourself using the tools for and where will you help out? Gbawden (talk) 06:36, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

  @Gbawden: They answered that above. 1989 (talk) 06:37, 13 September 2019 (UTC)