File:Flag of the Isle of Mann.svg

This version was uploaded by the uploader as their version of the flag where there no evidence has been provided that it is the correct version. There was a consensus on the talk page if the Wikipedia article that the version 'Flag of the Isle of Man.svg' is likely to be correct as a supporting reference was available. 86.131.235.171 12:23, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

Even if the positioning of the triskelion were correct, the flag is still incorrect as the back part of the three legs are grey on the real flag not white as shown. 86.131.235.171 12:26, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

 Keep This is obvious retaliation by the IP because of my reverting their vandalism on Road signs in the United Kingdom. This file and File:Flag of the Isle of Man.svg are both sourced in regards to their alignments of the triskelion, and co-exist. I therefore ask that this be speedily closed. Fry1989 ^eh? 15:18, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

No, I was reverting your vandalism because you kept making a claim without providing any evidence for doing so. You only provided evidence on your third revert. 109.155.148.172 17:35, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

I inserted no claims one way or the other into the article, my revision simply explained the meaning of the signs. It was your revision which added a statement that exception plates could not be used with these two signs, a statement which was not true. You did not become interested in this image until after our interaction on Road signs in the United Kingdom. The two topics are entirely unrelated, which leaves me no other alternative than to view this as retaliation. Fry1989 ^eh? 17:49, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

That's just pure bullshit. My point was (and still is) in the legislation. You contradicted the legislation without evidence in your first two reverts. That's vandalism.

Your edit history exists for a reason. It is so that your contributions can be scrutinised. Seeing that you were making claims without proof, I (and anyone else) is free to scrutinise your edits. That scrutiny turned up this debacle as a further example where you have completely made the flag up without valid evidence (and you are not alone). 109.155.148.172 13:08, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

Anyway to the subject. This image should be deleted because it is completely wrong. I e-mailed the Isle of Man government yesterday and to my astonishment, I received a reply this morning. They referred me to their official flag makers, the Flag Institute, who are apparently the authority for flags all over the world and anyone who makes flags is supposed to be a member of this organisation. (who knew that vexillology is the study of flags?)

They kindly sent me a dimensioned picture, which as an IP, I cannot upload (it has a copyright message on it anyway). However the pertinent information shows that both this and [File:Flag of the Isle of Man.svg] are totally incorrect.

The correct flag has an aspect ratio of 3:5 (not 2:1) as both images are currently. For a flag width of 100 units and a height of 60 units, the centre of the yellow 'Y' at the centre of the triskelion is 32 units from the bottom edge of the flag (or 53.5% of the height) - this means that the triskelion is neither equidistant from the top and bottom nor is the circumscribing circle centred. The man flag is approx 51% and mann version just over 55.5%, both wrong. The next issue is that the Isle of Man flag is a five colour flag not a four. The backs of the three legs along with bottom the three feet are grey not white. To complete, the triskelion should be orientated such that the legs point clockwise and the tip of the right hand foot is level with the tip of the junction between the grey and white part of the left hand foot. The triskelion in this flag is not only rotated incorrectly but bears only superficial resemblance to the correct one. 109.155.148.172 17:35, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

The flag institute have a web site and I found the flag illustrated here. We cannot upload their image because of the copyright message (is the flag itself copyright?). 109.155.148.172 17:48, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

Does it not matter at all that the flag you linked isn't flown anywhere on the island itself? The government building in Douglas ("wedding cake") flies a 4-coloured flag, which is the same as the one flown over Castle Rushen and all along multiple promenades. Both the "...man.svg" and "...mann.svg" variants are flown, along with other variants, but never the one linked and rarely a 5-coloured version.

In any case, I hardly thing it's right to depend on a website run by a British charity when a simple look at the nearest flag actually flown on the island could tell you that, at the very least, the de facto flag is different to that which they display. Most flags flown here show the one currently on the article, so it should be left alone. 178.16.6.216 20:37, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

As far as Wikipedia is concerned (where the image is used), looking at a flag flown anywhere is regarded as original research which is not permitted. Wikipedia goes by reliable sources, and a source identified by the Isle on Man government must be regarded as reliable. Funny how the Flag Institute has accurate relative dimensions and positioning whereas, if you are to be believed, the Isle of Man itself flies any old piece of rag. Practically every other country in the world is very particular about what gets flown as a national flag. — Preceding unsigned comment was added by 109.155.148.172 (talk) 12:41, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

Sounds like it may depend on the flag makers there. That triskelion looks tricky to get just right, so while one flag maker does it one way, another does it a different way, and so on. People are just flying what they buy and may not notice the difference. At this point it's difficult to accept any source as reliable, because apparently the flag makers are not synchronized with the gov-backed source. If editors don't know which flag on Commons is correct, then it makes sense to me to keep them until we find out. And finding out seems to be the rub, eh? P. I. Ellsworth, ed. ^put'r there 10:24, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

• Keep. After reading all the pertinent discussions about this flag and the one at File:Flag of the Isle of Man.svg, one cannot say for certain which flag, or possibly some other version that centers the triskelion somewhere between this flag version and the other version I linked, is the correct and official flag of the Isle of Man. At this point even the colors are in question (are there four colors, or five?), as well as the spelling of "Man" (is it "Mann"?) Honestly don't know what the correct way to go is in this case, I'm just sure that we don't want to go and delete what might be the correct version. I'd say we need expert help with this issue. P. I. Ellsworth, ed. ^put'r there 01:40, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

Kept: No reason for deletion of this file. According to the Deletion policy a supposedly incorrect, original researched or not-neutral file is not a reason for deletion. This aspect should be addressed on the projects. The file is currently in use on the projects, even on en:Wikipedia, so it has to be maintained. --Ellywa (talk) 22:03, 4 December 2022 (UTC)