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Hallo D-Kuru, das Benutzerkonto von dem dieses Bild hochgeladen wurde, ist auf :de verifiziert (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer:ROCCAT). Wäre es deshalb nicht angemessener, es mit no-permission statt speedy zu markieren und/oder per Email Kontakt aufzunehmen, zumal das Bild ja auf :de in Nutzung ist. --Túrelio (talk) 11:45, 5 January 2026 (UTC)

@Túrelio: Danke für die Nachricht. Wenn es wirklich der Hersteller ist, wäre das natürlich eine andere Sache, bräuchten aber dann noch die Vorlage des Tickets. Da solche Firmen meistens einen Fotografen dafür bezahlen, diese Firmen aber nur die Rechte für die Nutzung, aber nicht für eine Unter- bzw. Weiterlizensierung erwerben, kann ich mir auch gut vorstellen, dass es trotz ticket Probelem geben kann.

Ich habe die speedy vorlagen mal in eine DR umgewandelt. Die bereits gelöschten Bilder habe ich mal dazu gegeben.

--D-Kuru (talk) 13:00, 5 January 2026 (UTC)

Danke. Ich habe mal einen OTRSler gebeten, im Ticket nach der Emailadresse zu schauen (und dieser ggf. einen Hinweis auf die LD zu senden). --Túrelio (talk) 13:48, 5 January 2026 (UTC)

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Hallo, was hat das für einen Sinn, solcher Categorien zu produzieren: ? -- Bwag (talk) 13:59, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

@Bwag: Es sind Kategorien um einen gleichlauf führ alle Kameras auf DJI Drohnen zu erzielen. Jede mit einer eigenen EXIF-Info beschreibbare Kamera bekommt ein Wikidata Item und eine eigene Kategorie.

Das die Kategorie selbst leer ist, ist kein großes Novum (siehe zB Canon RF 85mm F1.2L USM DS oder Canon RF 200–800mm F/6.3–9 IS USM)

Es ist auch nicht so, dass eine Kamera nur einer Drohne oder umgekehrt zugeordnet ist. Die Hasselblad L2D-20c ist zB auf der Mavic 3 (Cine), der Mavic 3 Classic und der Mavic 3 Pro enthalten; die Mavic 3 Pro hat jedoch noch die Kameras DJI FC4382 und DJI FC4370 verbaut.

Die Kategorien sind Einzelteile der Sortierung auf DJI camera model names.

--D-Kuru (talk) 15:14, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

Das verstehe ich schon, aber warum zwingt man den User sozusagen zu einem zusätzlichen Klick? Die Kategorie „Category:Hasselblad L1D-20c“ hätte doch voll gereicht - ohne jetzt eine zusätzliche Unterkategorie noch anzulegen, oder? -- Bwag (talk) 15:22, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

@Bwag: Ich bin nicht der Meinung, dass man man einen User zu einem zusätzlichen Klick zwingt. Wenn der eine Klick schon zu viel ist, wie ist dass die Zeit des uploads und der Bildbearbeitung zu sehen?

Ich verstehe deinen Einwand dahingehend als dass man nicht alles einfach eine Ebene tiefer schieben braucht, wenn es keinen Sinn hat. Mit geht es um eine einheitliche Ordnerstruktur für alle Kameras. Hinzu kommt, dass zB die Zenmuse Serie sogar von der Drohne abgenommen werden kann und auf verschiedene Drohnen montiert werden kann.

Dazu sollen diese Kategorien auch nicht leer bleiben, sondern über die Zeit befüllt werden. Da ich selbst nicht alle Drohnen habe (so viel Geld hätte ich gerne) können ev. andere Nutzer aushelfen (siehe zB hier und hier).

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Ja, der erste Satz im zweiten Absatz beschreibt meine Einstellung dazu sehr korrekt. Mir ist es nur hier aufgefallen, da man das gleiche bei den Orgeln macht (Kategorie des Orgelbauer ist leer und trotzdem legt man die Unterkategorie „Orgel vom Orgelbauer“ an. Aber sei es wie es sei - noch ein frohes Schaffen. -- Bwag (talk) 15:46, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

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I moved Category:Recorded with Zoom H2 Digital Recorder to Category:Audio files made using a Zoom H2.

Please update your template, used on File:Fluorescent lamp-electronic ballast-sound ANr°0001.ogg. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:07, 2 May 2026 (UTC)

@Pigsonthewing: Isn't "recorded" the grammatically correct verb to use for audio files (compared to "made" or "taken with")? --D-Kuru (talk) 20:11, 2 May 2026 (UTC)

Either works.

All the other categories in the series use "Category:Audio files made using..." Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:21, 2 May 2026 (UTC)

@Pigsonthewing: OK.  Done --D-Kuru (talk) 20:30, 2 May 2026 (UTC)

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was ist der Unterschied zwischen Plaque und Commemorative plaque?

Ich verstehe plaque als Gedenktafel, und commemorative plaque als Tafel, die an etwas erinnert. Wo ist der große Unterschied? Auch bei einer Gedenktafel für Franz Schubert kann ich nicht umhin, an Franz Schubert zu denken. Also ich versteh das nicht. Category:Commemorative plaques sagt: Commemorative plaques, or simply plaques. Ohne klares Unterscheidungsmerkmal erzeugen semantisch nahe Kategorien nicht mehr Ordnung, sondern mehr Durcheinander. lg --Herzi Pinki (talk) 22:46, 8 August 2026 (UTC)

@Herzi Pinki: Die gleiche Frage stellte ich mir auch und die Antwort erschien mir bei Erstellung der Kategorien recht klar. Laut leo bedeutet das englische Wort "plaque" Tafel, Platte, Schild oder eben auch Gedenktafel. Das Bild auf der Oberseite dieser Seite ist denke ich ein Gutes Beispiel: お抹茶をのまれない方は ご遠慮下さい (2448877104).jpg erinnert an keinen, ist aber dennoch eine Tafel bzw. eine Platte. Wenn sie an einem Stein oder Gebäude angebracht wäre, könnte man sie denke ich also auch als plaque bezeichnen.

Hinzu kommt, dass es Wikidata Items für plaque und commemorative plaque gibt, welche beide auch eigene englische Seiten (und nicht bloß eine Link zu einer anderen Seite) haben. Es ist zutreffend, dass das erste Item auf die englische Seite "Plaquette" verlinkt und auf der englischen Seite des zweiten Items "A commemorative plaque, or simply plaque [...]" steht, jedoch hätte ich bei kurzer Durchsicht der Kategoriestruktur nicht gesehen, dass auf Commons ein Unterschied zwischen Plaquette und plaque (im Sinne einer Gedenktafel) gemacht wird. Dies würde ich nicht zuletzt auch auf Kategorien wie Plaques by function zurückführen, welche eben keinen Unterschied zu machen scheint.

Wenn du meinst, dass Änderungen notwendig sind, stehe ich denen aber offen gegenüber.

--D-Kuru (talk) 07:32, 9 August 2026 (UTC)

Danke. Dein japanisches Beispiel お抹茶をのまれない方は ご遠慮下さい (2448877104).jpg würde ich nie und nimmer als Plaque kategorisieren. Sondern als Category:Signs oder Category:Information boards, auch nicht als Plakette, sondern als Schild (Hinweisschild, dafür haben wir keine gute Kategorie). Wikidata hat noch mehr den Zwang zur Deabstraktion als Commons, ist für mich also kein stichhaltiges Argument. Die Kategoriedefinition hat mE auch mehr Gewicht als das Wörterbuch (für ein Allerweltswort mit vielen Bedeutungsebenen). Vielleicht hilft es ja schon, sich gegen den Lauf der Welt zu stemmen, ohne ihn gleich umkehren zu wollen und diese Unterscheidung nicht in die geografischen Untereinheiten zu verschleppen. Mein Problem ist dann oft, dass das eingeführt, aber nicht durchgezogen (und gewartet) wird. Vielleicht mag @Eweht: auch was dazu sagen. Es bringt mich durcheinander, wenn meine Kategorisierungsgewohnheiten durch die abweichende Kategorisierung einer Handvoll Dateien infrage gestellt werden. lg --Herzi Pinki (talk) 14:39, 9 August 2026 (UTC)

Hallo zusammen, zur Unterscheidung: Commemorative plaques sind Tafeln, die speziell an Personen oder an Ereignisse erinnern ("hier wirkte, hier starb, hier ereignete sich, hier erbrachte XY die Leistung Z ..."). Sie sind eine Unterkategorie von plaques, die generell alle Tafeln sind, die auf einem festen Objekt (Häuser, Mauern, Sockeln, Bäume, ...) fix angebracht und aus festem Material sind und informativen und oft auch ästhetischen Charakter haben. Frei stehende Tafeln auf Pfosten, Gestellen ... sind "signs", alle plaques sind ebenfalls signs. - Dass die Category:Commemorative plaques in Austria besonders in den Bundesländern nur unvollständig gefüllt ist bzw. die Commemorative plaques gar nicht für alle Bundesländer vorhanden sind, und viele Bilder, die dort hineingehören würden, noch in den allgemeinen "Plaques"-Kategorien verweilen, ist etwas, was es noch zu bearbeiten gibt. Daher wohl auch die Verwirrung, dass "plaque" immer gleich "commemorative plaque" sei. Die Aussage "Commemorative plaques, or simply plaques" ist der alltägliche englische Sprachgebrauch (siehe etwa die englische Gedenktafelkateogire Category:English Heritage Blue plaques in London), nicht als Gleichsetzung für die Kategorisierung auf Commons zu verstehen. - Was das alles jetzt für Wikidata bedeutet, dazu kann ich gar nix sagen. lg Eweht (talk) 22:05, 9 August 2026 (UTC)

Was gibt es für Möglichkeiten, das konsistent und einheitlich umzusetzen?

• ich neige dazu, mich an die (englische) Beschreibung der Kategorie zu halten. Ist nicht immer einfach, aber im konkreten Fall: Commemorative plaques, or simply plaques. Nach vielen Hundert Bildern, die ich als Plaque kategorisiert habe und wo keiner muh oder mäh gesagt hat, hat das auch eine gewisse Berechtigung.
• man kann die Kategorisierung nach dem Konzept vernehmen, was jeder von uns in seinem individuellen Kopf zu haben glaubt (ich erinnere mich an Ewehts Kategorisierung nach Jahreszeiten, die sich nicht entscheiden konnte, ob meteorologisch oder astronomisch das Kriterium ist; gefühlt war es dann der Schnee, der für den Winter sprach, auch im April)
• man könnte die Kategorie-Beschreibung korrigieren (falls sie denn nicht zutreffend ist) und das einheitlich durchziehen. Generell gilt, die Kategoriebeschreibung muss eindeutig und trennscharf klar stellen, was in eine Kategorie gehört, und was nicht. Mit Querverweisen auf parallele Kategoriebäume zu unterschiedlichen Konzepten.
• man könnte doppelt kategorisieren. Es gibt Category:Plaques in Austria by municipality, wollen wir das auch aufteilen auf Category:Commemorative plaques in Austria by municipality? Oder reichen uns die Commemorative plaques auf Bundeslandebene flach? Große Teile des Baumes unter Category:Plaques wären dann symmetrisch als Unterbäume von Category:Commemorative plaques anzulegen.
• zur Verletzung der Einheitlichkeit und Nützlichkeit gehört auch, dass Category:Here-died plaques in Austria zwar in Category:Commemorative plaques in Austria, aber Category:Here-died plaques in Germany nicht in Category:Commemorative plaques in Germany ist.
• man könnte die Kategorisierung hier als doomed abtun. Was wären die Use-Cases der Kategorisierung? Gibt es dafür eine Beschreibung? Was kann die Kategorisierung besser, was die (google) Suche nicht kann? Bilder ohne gescheiten Titel und ohne gescheite Beschreibung wollen eh nicht gefunden werden.

lg --Herzi Pinki (talk) 13:26, 10 August 2026 (UTC)

Ich würde, wenn man es konsequent macht, so kategorisieren: "Plaques in BUNNESLAND" hat als Unterkategorien "Commemorative plaques in BUNDESLAND" und "Building-related plaques in BUNDESLAND" und ggf. noch eine weitere Kategorie, wenn sich was ergibt, oder einzelne nicht dazugehörende Bilder. Und auf Gemeindebene, sofern eine solche existiert, einfach nur "Plaques". Dann ist eine Gedenktafel einsortiert in "Comemmorative plaques in BUNDESLAND" obligat und ggf. zusätzlich in "Plaques in GEMEINDE". Solche Kategorisierungen gibt es analog in anderen Zusammenhängen auch (eine Pflanze in "Flora of BUNDESLAND" + "Nature of GEMEINDE" etwa).

Zu deinem 2. erwähnten Punkt: Da hast du was genau gegenteilig in Erinnerung. Der Schnee ist eben NICHT das Kriterium für Winter, eben weil er auch im April und Juni vorhanden sein kann. - Gruß Eweht (talk) 22:21, 10 August 2026 (UTC)